What If Midlife Isn't a Crisis? It's a Calling - A Conversation with Julie Ciardi
You've been told that turning 50 means winding down, easing off, preparing for retirement. What if it's actually when you're just getting started?
In this episode, Erica talks with her mentor Julie Ciardi, creator of the IGNITE Her® Frequencies, about the line that stopped Erica mid-drive: "What if midlife isn't a crisis, it's a calling?" They dig into Julie's own journey leaving a corporate career, why she rewrote traditional Human Design into her own language, and how understanding her family's design changed how she parents, loves, and leads.
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Transcript
But my, my soul, that's why I really believe that we have
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:a calling because your soul is
like continuously trying to pull
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:you towards whatever that is.
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:And I just knew I couldn't give
up whatever this dream was.
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:Speaker 3: Have you ever heard someone
on a podcast that made you stop and
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:rewind, not once, but twice, and then you
listened so intently, and what you heard
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:was such a mic drop moment that it shifted
your whole perspective on something?
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:Today's guest is someone that I have
mentioned a lot on this podcast.
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:She is someone that made me rewind
twice, and she had a podcast on business
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:and human design at the time, and
it was such a game changer for me.
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:One sentence completely shifted
h- my approach to midlife.
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:From that day on, I was
hooked on Julie Ciardi.
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:I needed to hear
everything she had to say.
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:She talks about being bingeable, and
I binged her podcast multiple times.
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:I became a huge super fan, so I'm
excited to introduce you to Julie.
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:She has become a mentor to me, and
has challenged me to approach my
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:work differently, and has expanded my
knowledge, not just in human design,
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:but just in business in general, beyond
what I ever expected that I would be at.
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:She has taken a very esoteric
language of human design and the
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:gene keys and rewritten them into
her own language, which she calls
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:the Ignite Her Frequencies, and
then also certifies women, and a
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:few good men, in those frequencies.
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:Hi, I'm Erica Voell, and I want to
welcome you to The Unfolding Podcast.
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:If you're new here, I'm
so glad you're here.
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:I am a human design guide for women
in midlife, and my work is all about
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:helping you connect the dots of how
you're designed so you can see the
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:whole picture of yourself and your
relationships, and understand maybe
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:why your partner needs a few days to
make a decision when you know almost
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:instantly, or why you keep overthinking
and replaying those conversations in your
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:mind, or why your kid in the middle of
the day needs some rest away from people.
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:It's all connected.
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:My clients so often say, "Oh my gosh,
Erica, this makes so much sense.
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:Now I see that there's
nothing wrong with me."
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:If you're new here, I'm so glad to welcome
you to The Unfolding Podcast, and if
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:you're a regular listener and you enjoy
the show, please subscribe to the show and
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:follow me on Substack at ericavoell.com.
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:That's E-R-I-C-A, V as
in Victor, O-E-L-L.com,
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:and start connecting your own dots.
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:I am so excited to share
this interview with Julie.
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:It was such a delight.
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:We went so deep, and we talked
about so many different things about
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:relationships, how she became a human
design business coach for us, and also
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:what helped her leave her corporate job.
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:So let's get to the interview with Julie.
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:I'm so glad you're here.
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:Speaker: So Julie, thank you for
joining us on The Unfolding Podcast.
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:I'm kind of fan-girling even though I just
talked to you recently on a coaching call.
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:So thank you for joining us.
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:Oh my gosh, I'm so happy to be here.
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:Thank you for having me, and I'm really
looking forward to this conversation.
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:So for those of you who have been regular
listeners, I have been … You've heard me
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:mention Julie's name probably 1,000 times.
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:And I realize that I want my listeners
to know who Julie Ciardi is, because
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:I drop your name all the time, Julie.
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:So I would love for
them to hear about you.
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:Oh, well thank you so much.
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:And I'm, you know me,
I, I do that too, right?
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:I'm always wanting to share who
I'm, you know, learning from and
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:who I'm around and, and all of that.
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:So I, I greatly appreciate
you doing the same.
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:Um, yeah.
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:I'm, I'm Julie Ciardi.
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:I'm actually turning 52 this
week as, uh, as we talk here,
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:and I am, um, very proud of that.
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:It's actually part of why I wrote my
book, "50 Not Finished" . And I'm a
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:mom of three, and I really left a very
high-paying corporate career, uh, decided
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:it 10 years ago, made it happen eight
years ago, and finally pursued a lifelong
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:dream, which was to start my own business.
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:And now I am mentoring midlife and
beyond, like really women near and over
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:50, um, to really step into their next
chapter of their life and to live in
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:their highest potential of the work
that they're here to do in the world.
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:Mm.
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:Oh, I love it.
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:I love it so much.
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:So before we go any further,
I have to tell you something.
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:I … On how I found you, and my
listeners don't know this, but I found
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:your podcast because I was searching
for human design and business.
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:I had been … I was r- I had just turned
50, and I was trying to leave the library
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:job that I had been in for, or the career
I'd been in for 19 years, and you said
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:something that literally stopped me.
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:I was driving, so I didn't stop.
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:But, um, what you said was, "What if
midlife isn't a crisis, it's a calling?"
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:And I, I paused, and I was
like, "Wait, what did she say?"
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:And I rewound it, and then you said
it again, and I was like, "What?"
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:How could this be possible?
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:Because midlife is like this crazy time.
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:And so I listened to it again, and I was
so taken by it, and I just was like, you
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:talk about bingeable content, like you
were the only person I listened to for
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:weeks because I was just like, I wanted
to know the human design part, but I was
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:also really taken in by your midlife part.
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:And so I would love for you to
talk about what, what, how did this
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:idea come to you, and how did you
start to weave it into your work?
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:Well, thank you for sharing that.
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:And I, you know me, I'm a
fan of bingeable content.
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:I- that's how I c- that's how I know if
someone is someone I wanna learn from,
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:be around, you know, all of that too.
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:So I, I love that, uh, that share.
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:So it really started, I mean, y-
honestly, it started with, you know,
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:in the early 40s with making the big
shift, thinking I was too late at that
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:point, you know, to leave a, a career.
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:People thought I was crazy at
age 42 deciding to leave IBM.
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:We sold our house, like literally
downs- like, like downgraded,
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:sold our house, family of five.
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:Basically, it felt like we took
the off ramp, if you will, on like
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:the, the, the success of life.
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:We, we took like an exit ramp and,
you know, people thought I was insane,
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:but I, I knew Very clearly, and
you've heard me say this before, I
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:had read the book, um, The Top Five
Regrets of the Dying by Bronnie Ware.
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:And, uh, it was right about
the time I was about 42.
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:I was in my son's nursery.
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:I was listening to it on Audible
because I could not leave that
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:child's side going to sleep.
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:So I, I kept saying to myself, "Well,
at least I'm gonna, like, be learning
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:something or listening to a book while
I'm trying to get my last one to sleep."
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:And someone had recommended that book, and
it changed my life because I really came
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:kind of face to face with the fact that,
okay, like I'm not getting any younger.
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:I'm 42.
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:If, if I'm, if I'm going to go
all the way till, you know, maybe
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:hopefully 85, 90 or beyond, would
I have any regrets right now?
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:Hmm.
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:And it was like, oh yeah.
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:And that regret would be working where
I was working, doing what I was…
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:where I was spending the most of my time.
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:We spend s- most of our time at work.
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:And I knew in my heart that I was meant
to start my own thing and do my own thing.
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:So this, this journey to midlife really
being a calling really started, uh, like
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:10 years ago when I was in my early 40s.
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:And then as I ventured out and started
my own, my own business, and it was hard.
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:Like, you hear me talk
about this all the time.
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:I mean, it was not overnight.
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:It was really hard.
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:I was, you know, in debt,
fighting with my husband.
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:He wanted me to update my, my
resume, you know, and, and start
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:looking for jobs on LinkedIn.
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:And it was just, it was a
really challenging time.
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:But my, my soul, that's why I really
believe that we have a calling because
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:your soul is like continuously trying
to pull you towards whatever that is.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:And I just knew I couldn't give
up whatever this dream was.
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:And so finally, you know, by the age of
about, you know, 45, 46, the business
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:finally started taking, taking off,
and it took turns and directions I
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:didn't even know why at the time.
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:But as I was approaching 50 The, it
was this overwhelming in a beautiful
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:way, like a good overwhelming feeling
of, "Oh, I'm just getting started.
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:I'm just getting started."
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:Like, I really…
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:It was this…
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:Don- and don't get me wrong, I had
aches and pains in all my joints.
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:I, you know, was off and
on with getting my period.
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:I, you know, was, um, having hot
flashes and waking up at 3:00 AM
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:with crazy, um, panic at 3:00 AM-
Mm-hmm … in the morning, where
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:I would be like, "Do we need to go
to the, like the emergency room?"
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:Like, I woke my husband up a couple
of times and I'm like, "What's wrong?"
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:So l- listen, I'm not trying to
paint this, like, rosy picture of
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:48, 49, um, where I was just s-
just my calling was this bright
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:light that I was going towards.
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:That, they both existed
at the same time, right?
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:Like they both- Mm-hmm … were
existing at the same time.
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:So I was, like, trying to make myself
physically feel better with estrogen
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:leaving the building, and also this
beautiful overwhelming feeling that
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:I was just getting started and that
I hadn't even hit my stride yet- Mm
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:in the work that I was
meant to do in this world.
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:And so I had been writing this book,
was not called "50 Not Finished," okay?
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:It was more of a book, and it still is,
the book is a culmination of lessons and
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:learnings over the course of really the
last probably 15 years to end up doing
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:the work that I was meant to do in the
world, and I wanted to share that with
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:others 'cause I know not everyone is gonna
be as insane as I am in how I consume
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:books and, you know, and all the things.
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:So I, I was writing this book and I
thought it was gonna be called Ignite Her.
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:Kind of been my brand, two words
that describe my brand since:
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:and I was just gonna call it that.
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:But that, as I was nearing 50 and I was
really in, you know, really studying
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:human design and really understanding
that, well, actually, you know, we
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:don't actually begin to even have the
full flowering of our purpose happen
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:until after 50, that just hit me and
I was like, "Yes, that's how I feel."
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:Mm-hmm.
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:And the name 50 Not Finished,
like, just was a download.
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:It just dropped in.
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:Like, that, it just came out of
nowhere, this beautiful divine download.
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:And the beautiful thing, Erica, is that
every woman, almost every woman, that
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:sees the book and just hears or sees those
three words goes, "Yep, I feel that too."
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:Even though they also feel all
these other things that are going
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:on physically and m- emotionally,
they're like, "But I feel that too."
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:Mm.
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:And so it just started to become this…
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:I was like, I, then all of a sudden
I realized, oh, I'm not alone- in
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:this calling concept that, that we're
just beginning to answer the call.
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:And so that's where that all came from
because it was like this evolution.
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:At first I thought it was just me, and
in- interestingly enough, I used to work
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:with women of all ages, and really in
the last three years, 3 1/2, well maybe
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:2 1/2 years, I decided to go all in on
just really working with women near and
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:over 50 because this is the good stuff.
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:Like, this is where, like we've gone
through all the things that we've gone
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:through, and now it's time for us,
and we really couldn't before now-
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:Mm-hmm
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:… answer the call.
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:Because you have to have life.
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:You have to have the wisdom.
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:You have to have the experience
to be able to go to that next
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:level and answering your call.
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:So long answer, but it was such a journey.
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:It wasn't like overnight
I thought about it.
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:It was like, whoa, it was such an
evolution, and it's so exciting
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:to know that so many women
everywhere feel the exact same way.
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:Yeah.
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:And I, I got a preview copy on your,
of your book before it was published.
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:I read the whole thing on my
phone and I was like, "Yes, yes."
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:And I just remember, like you gave us a
deadline of when you needed the review,
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:but I, I was taking it in such small
doses because I wanted it to last, and
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:I was, I was like, "Ooh, yes, yes, yes.
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:I feel this way, too."
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:But you've also, like, introduced me to
a couple of people that I was like, "I
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:need to go back and check into them."
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:Like, I'm reading the Psycho-Cybernetics
book right now because th- it feels
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:so much like the work that I'm doing
right now with self-love, and self-image
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:is c- such a huge part of that.
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:And I … It just … I love
that you even brought in S-
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:Florence Scov- is it Scovel Shain?
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:Yeah, it's Florence Scovel Shain.
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:I, I have her ph- I have that book
on my phone also, and I just am
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:like, yes, okay We, we've been sold
for so long, when you hit 45, you're
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:gonna go through the midlife crisis.
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:Maybe you'll get the sports car.
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:I didn't want the fricking sports car.
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:Like, give me something that's
good, that really feels like me.
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:And for…
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:You completely changed how I, how I
felt, and I had burned out at 48, so
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:to feel like 50, I had just finished
my coaching certification right as I
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:turned 50, and I was like, oh, I am,
I am not start- trying to start over.
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:I'm, like, just hitting my stride.
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:That was so huge.
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:Yes.
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:It's such a perspective shift.
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:And what's so fascinating is, I mean,
growing up, I didn't see that anywhere.
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:No.
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:It was g- this is when you
get ready for retirement.
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:Yes.
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:I mean, that's a totally
different perspective.
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:Yes.
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:My grandmother and grandfather
both retired at 55, and I was
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:like, they got the Airstream.
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:They did all the retirement stuff.
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:They got into square dancing.
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:And I was like, that's what I
want, but I don't wanna live…
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:I don't wanna work to fu- to till 65.
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:I wanna be doing the things
that I wanna do now, and it's
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:not like I have to start over.
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:No, and I…
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:One of the first people, and I reference
him all the time, you know that, Bob
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:Proctor, and he's, he's just such a…
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:He's a, a very big factor in being able
to get through some really of the hard
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:stuff to come out the other side, and I've
lear- I've just learned so much from him.
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:But I learned a lot from
him as a role model, right?
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:Like, he's a 6'2".
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:He, he's a Manifestor 6'2".
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:He was here to provoke, you know, people.
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:His 39 was his, his son.
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:He Just sh- he lived and
embodied what I want.
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:And it was that he died at 87, and I
literally had had, like, d- dinner with
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:him and his wife, like, six months before
then, and he was still studying, still
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:reading his books, still going live and
teaching and sharing and helping people.
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:He was still working in his business,
and he loved it, and he just was glowing.
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:And I just don't know a lot of
people that are doing their life's
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:work into their 80s, and it was such
a, um, inspiration for me because
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:I was like, "That's what I want."
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:I had someone say to me the other
day, it's like, "So, uh, what,
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:what are you thinking of, like,
you know, retiring or, you know,
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:are you gonna sell your business?"
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:I'm like, "No.
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:Like, I'm not going anywhere.
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:Like, I'm, I'm actually just
getting started in my work."
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:And sometimes we just need a couple
of living examples- Mm-hmm … to show
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:us opposite of what society is showing
us to have us go, "Oh, you know what?
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:This is, this is possible.
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:Like, I, this is what I want."
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:Yeah.
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:You know?
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:I never would've thought that's what I
wanted because I never saw it, you know?
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:Yes.
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:If I was in my 20s or 30s, I
mean, I, like, I'd be like,
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:"What are you talking about?
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:No, you're supposed to retire."
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:Like I wouldn't even think-
… like, "Oh, that's so sad.
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:He has to work at 87?"
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:You know what I mean?
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:Like, it's just such a different idea.
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:And so to see that idea in real
life and be like, "Ooh, but
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:actually that's what I want."
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:Yes.
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:And I, I was at the grocery
store a few weeks ago, and I was
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:like, you know, I was just…
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:I don't know why I got to talking
to the, the one, the cashier.
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:She was in her, I think she
was in her 80s, and she said
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:somebody said something to her.
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:They see her every week, and I don't
see her every week, but what was so
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:fascinating to me is she's like, she
told this woman, she's like, "Honey, I
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:don't work 'cause I'm h- I wanna be here.
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:I work because you all are my friends."
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:And I was like, "Oh."
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:What an awesome experience to, like, wanna
be a cashier at the grocery store because
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:that's your social time with people, and
I just, I love that, and I wanted to be
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:like, "Can I look up your human design?"
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:I know, right?
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:Are you a 6/2?
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:Isn't it
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:funny- Are you a 4/6?
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:… how, like, we think this way?
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:Like, we wanna look up everyone's…
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:I do.
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:Uh-huh.
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:I wanna look up everyone's
design at all times.
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:Yes.
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:Oh, yes, and I, when I did a
podcast recently, I was like,
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:"Can I look up your design?"
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:So I could talk about her, and
just human design in general.
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:So that leads perfectly
into my next question.
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:So what…
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:So you didn't find human design
right away in your business, but
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:what was it that just made you
pause and, like, say, "Okay, this is
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:something I need to dig into further"?
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:Well, it's funny, and you know
this, and I'll, I'll share
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:this with your, your listeners.
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:I mean, uh, human design did not
come into my life for business.
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:And it came into my life because
I declared a goal five years
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:ago now, which is crazy to me.
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:I'm so happy and grateful now that
I love my husband unconditionally.
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:I had a huge business goal, and I felt
very confident on my business goal.
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:I did not feel as confident on
this personal goal, that I was
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:gonna actually learn how to
love my husband unconditionally.
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:And the reason that I declared this
goal was that I really wanted to give my
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:marriage everything that I could, and I
had heard from someone once before that
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:it is possible to comple- to get divorced
from someone and love them and not have
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:it be from a place of anger and hate and
all these things, and we've got kids.
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:And I thought, "I like that idea."
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:And I…
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:That's another, an, back to another
idea that I was like, "Oh, really?"
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:'Cause actually, what's normal is people
get divorced, and it's angry, and it's…
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:And they're an- the, it, the
hate, and all the things, hurt.
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:And so I said, "Okay, that's my goal.
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:That is my…
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:My, my goal is to love him
unconditionally and then make a decision."
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:See how different that is, right?
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:Ooh.
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:Like, I'm gonna love him
unconditionally first- And then I'm
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:gonna make a decision on whether
or not this marriage is … Right?
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:So it was fascinating.
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:So of course, I make this goal, and
human design comes into my world,
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:and I literally, you know this,
I poo-poohed it the first time
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:I saw it, which was years prior.
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:I think a good friend of mine
who's all into everything was
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:like, "Oh, you gotta try this."
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:And the second she sent me, like,
this app to run it, the second it
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:showed my birth data, I said, "Nope."
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:I didn't even put my stuff in.
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:I said, "No.
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:No, that's weird.
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:I'm very logical."
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:I'm like, "No."
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:Same.
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:Years later, I declare this goal.
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:In comes human design again, and
I'm like, "Ugh, not this again."
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:And someone was like, "Just
do it, just do it," so I then
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:this time I put my thing in.
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:And then it got worse 'cause I saw that
body graph and all these numbers- Oh
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:… and all this stuff, and I like simplicity.
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:I am like- … love simplicity, don't
like complexity, and I was like, "Oh, hell
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:no," like, and I, I again poo-poohed it.
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:And then, so, uh, uh, God, universe,
source, like, it was like, "Okay,
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:listen, like, you made this goal.
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:I'm trying to help you."
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:"You need to receive this,"
and said, "Maybe that y-
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:that's too complicated for you.
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:Let's give her Gene Keys."
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:Right?
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:So then Gene Keys came in, and it
was a way for me to actually be able
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:to digest some very important things
that I needed to see and hear without
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:the overwhelm, if that makes sense.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:It still had its own challenges 'cause
I love it and I love Richard Rudd, but
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:it was, it can be very, um, esoteric,
and I, like, some of the words,
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:I'm like looking up at the source,
like, "What does that word mean?
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:I don't even know what
that word means," right?
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:Um, but it was s- but it was a
more simple system and elegant,
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:and I love that and I value that.
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:And so that started to open
the door, and then I was like,
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:"All right, I guess I need…"
388
:And then it just became this
rabbit hole, but honestly, Erica,
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:it was a rabbit hole for me.
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:You know?
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:Like, on the, over here I'm working on
my business, teaching women in business,
392
:helping them, and, but, but the thing that
I was searching for in my business was
393
:how do I help women actually get unstuck
or get unstuck from their patterns?
394
:Because no matter what I taught
strategy-wise from a business
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:standpoint … I mean, I have my MBA.
396
:I worked at IBM as the IBM vice president
of marketing and sales for 20 years.
397
:Like, I know business.
398
:Uh, some people would take it
and run and have success, and
399
:other people would remain stuck,
and I'm like, "Oh, I've gotta…
400
:How do I crack that code?"
401
:So I, that, I knew I needed to help them,
but I wasn't sure what it was gonna be.
402
:Mm-hmm.
403
:I'm over here on the other side
trying to save my marriage by
404
:loving my husband unconditionally,
and like, human design came in.
405
:My strategic mind, the second I
really started to see and understand
406
:human design, I was like, "Oh, this
is the missing piece of everything."
407
:Like, I was like, "This is the missing
piece in the business with my clients.
408
:This is the missing piece for me
and my family and my relationship."
409
:And so I just love that I set that
goal, and I'm a firm believer in
410
:this, that you set these big, crazy,
impossible goals, things start mo- And,
411
:and you're willing and open to wanting
to go after it, and it's your goal.
412
:Things just start moving
into your purview, right?
413
:Things start coming in,
people, different things.
414
:And for me, those two…
415
:Like, my goals were dependent on human
design, but I didn't even know it.
416
:And then it just was history from there.
417
:I became obsessed with it and
started to bring it to my clients.
418
:But of course, as I started to bring
it to them, they were like, "What?"
419
:Yes.
420
:Like, like, "We love you, and we…"
421
:But, ugh, like they were just…
422
:They had the feeling I did when I first
saw it, and they're like, "Well, can
423
:you just tell me what this means?"
424
:Or, "I don't get this."
425
:And- Mm-hmm … one particular client
was like, "Can you just Julie ties it?
426
:I don't understand."
427
:And she was so funny.
428
:She was like set to renew for another
year in our, in our program, and she
429
:was like I just, I can't re- I, I
wanna stay, but this stuff's weird.
430
:Like, she was just like, "I
don't s- I g- I don't know.
431
:You brought this in, and I know you're
passionate about it, and I trust you."
432
:Like, it was s- it was really kinda cool.
433
:"I trust you, but I do
not understand this."
434
:And I was like, "All right.
435
:I need to rewrite this."
436
:And that was where, again, like,
I feel like we're given all
437
:these, like, gifts and clues and
pieces, and you start to see.
438
:And that's when I decided to rewrite
the, the language really t- so that
439
:it could be more r- like, attainable
and understandable, and just people
440
:didn't need, you know, someone to
decipher- Mm-hmm … their design.
441
:That they could actually begin to
have it just wash over them and,
442
:like, penetrate without needing
that extra support and help.
443
:And, and that's…
444
:It's just been a, a…
445
:such a labor of love to, to do that.
446
:Although, I'm sure we'll talk about it.
447
:I was like, "Can I do this?"
448
:And I, I don't…
449
:Like, I know, but I know this is
what I'm meant to do, you know?
450
:Which was so- Mm-hmm
… fascinating, but yeah.
451
:Which, which is so cool
because, like, I…
452
:when I found human design, my therapist
recommended it to me because she's…
453
:I was burned out, and she's
like, "Erica, just go look up
454
:your d- human design type."
455
:I was like, "No.
456
:Okay, Eat Right for Your Blood Type."
457
:I don't know why that wa-
that stuck in my head.
458
:I looked it up, and I was like, weird,
but the word heretic is in my profile.
459
:And I was like, "Heretic?
460
:Tell me more."
461
:And I just glommed onto that, and then
I listened to every podcast I could find
462
:about explaining it, and it was so…
463
:But some of them were so
esoteric, I could not follow them.
464
:And there was one woman I really loved,
but then she'd get very, flowery is
465
:not the right word, and I was like,
"Okay, I can't do this," 'cause I,
466
:I was at that s- part- point in my
life where I wanted, I wanted to
467
:be doing moon circles with women.
468
:I wanted to be doing these, you
know, they're not airy-fairy,
469
:but the spiritual things.
470
:Mm.
471
:But I am so logical and practical.
472
:But then as I started to dive in,
and then I found, um, my other
473
:mentor of Erin Claire Jones, and
she had made it so practical.
474
:And she was like, "Here is
how a generator is created."
475
:And I was like- What?
476
:There is like a, a puzzle to all of this.
477
:It's not just like a bunch of numbers that
just get sort of like put into this chart.
478
:And I, I was obsessed.
479
:I was obsessed.
480
:I was doing charts for everybody.
481
:I was asking people what
their human design was.
482
:It was, it was crazy, but I didn't…
483
:It was a friend who said,
finally said, "You know, you're
484
:constantly talking about this.
485
:Are you going to ever share it?"
486
:And I was like, "Mm, maybe when
I finish my certification."
487
:And she's like, "Well, when you're ready."
488
:But that was the push I
needed to be like, "You know."
489
:Yeah, the people
490
:that come in and, and
give you the evidence.
491
:Yes.
492
:Yeah.
493
:Yes.
494
:Uh, but it was so cool as, as a
5/1 to be like, "I do know enough.
495
:I can share this."
496
:And then I just did
497
:like- Well, that's it, because
the 1's gonna go so deep-
498
:Yes
499
:but you're actually meant
to share it so wide.
500
:Mm-hmm.
501
:Right?
502
:And z- with all these people, right?
503
:And be that messenger, right?
504
:And it's like, it's just, it's
so, it's like they conflict.
505
:Yes.
506
:But also being very practical.
507
:Can you use it in your real life?
508
:Like, that's what are my, my
thing, is can you use it- Right
509
:in your real life?
510
:Because-
511
:Same
512
:… I can give you all the stuff.
513
:I can give you all the words But if
it doesn't make any sense, then you're
514
:gonna be like, "Yeah, good information.
515
:I'll just put this in my pile of
stuff", and then you come across
516
:it- Exactly … five years later.
517
:That's, uh, y- you and I, I think,
are so on the same page with that.
518
:And, and I, I too, that,
that practicality of it.
519
:But make no mistake, the depth of
transformation that can come from the
520
:practical is incredible to me- Uh-huh
521
:… honestly.
522
:I mean, I have-
523
:Right?
524
:It's like, it's almost like
transformational in disguise,
525
:because it's so practical-
526
:Uh-huh
527
:… and digestible, and then like, oh, I did
not see that coming, in terms of like
528
:the aha, or the oh, snap, that is, that's
a pattern that I had like literally
529
:been living my whole life- Uh-huh
530
:that's causing this result.
531
:You know?
532
:Yes.
533
:Yes.
534
:And I still…
535
:One of my very first clients
still messages me, and she's like,
536
:"Erica, you'd be so proud of me."
537
:Like, just learning her, her
trust your gut authority was
538
:such a game changer for her.
539
:But I love when clients message
me and they're like, "You would be
540
:so proud of me", or, "I did this".
541
:And I'm like, "Oh, yay.
542
:I haven't talked to you in a while, but
543
:yay."
544
:The best.
545
:I love it so much.
546
:I love…
547
:And I love the how it
plays out in relationships.
548
:But before we get to that, I wanna
talk more about your human design
549
:experience, because I know that you did
not finish your certification, and you
550
:did something that you, you alluded to
it earlier about like, could you do this?
551
:So Julie publishes a daily podcast
for us as clients called The Daily
552
:Frequency, and oh my gosh, I listen
to it, I listen to every episode.
553
:I won't say that I listen to it on
the day it gets released, because
554
:some days it's not what I need to
hear, and then then I'll listen to
555
:it on a Sunday, and I'm like, "Yes,
this is exactly what I need to hear."
556
:I love
557
:that.
558
:Trusting
559
:your intuition.
560
:Yes.
561
:Yep.
562
:So in today's episode, you talked about
not finishing your cer- certification.
563
:Can you share that story, and like
what made, what came about from
564
:that that inspired you to create
something completely different?
565
:Yeah.
566
:It was, it was so interesting, right?
567
:It's, it's, I, I, being analytical
and also being the good student my
568
:whole life, you know, it's like,
well, I'm gonna go and I'm gonna get
569
:certified, I'm gonna learn from the
best, I'm gonna do all the things.
570
:And so I, you know, was in like the
official schools and said I'm gonna get
571
:certified, go all the way, all the way.
572
:And, and, and it was incredible.
573
:I mean, I learned so,
so much, all the things.
574
:But- I, I didn't finish.
575
:It was what, I think I was like,
like a last semester shy of
576
:finishing, and I think this was all
at the exact same moment that I was
577
:already working with my clients.
578
:They're already saying,
"What are you talking about?
579
:This, this doesn't make any sense to me."
580
:Hearing all of that, but also hearing
at the same time of like, "You have to
581
:do it exactly this way, and it needs
to look like this, and your business
582
:can't say this, and you can't do…"
583
:And it was just this, a lot
of, like everything that I felt
584
:like I needed to g- go against.
585
:But like, 'cause for me it's, it's
actually I, all of us, I mean, human
586
:design is about trusting our own inner
authority- Mm-hmm … and not outer,
587
:you know, someone else's authority.
588
:And I just, I just knew that I
needed the freedom to create.
589
:And then I, it was, I said it
this on the Daily Frequency
590
:today, but it was almost magical.
591
:Again, we, we get and receive
exactly what we need to receive,
592
:exactly when we need it.
593
:Mm-hmm.
594
:And I, I love listening to Ra, and I
happened to be listening to one of his
595
:old lectures, and it was in a room full
of certified people, he certified, of,
596
:of human design reader, a- analysts.
597
:And he said, "You are
not here to parrot me."
598
:Uh, you are here to bring this
knowledge forth in your own way.
599
:He's like, "My conscious sign is a 51."
600
:He's like, "I am here to shock and awe."
601
:I mean, this is what he said, right?
602
:He's like…
603
:And then he brought up another, another
man in the room, I forget his name, and
604
:he goes, "And, and Kevin is not a 51."
605
:You know, he's a whatever he was, right?
606
:And so he was really
giving that permission.
607
:And I also was sharing that, you
know, he walked the talk because he
608
:actually gave the permission to Richard
Rudd to create the Gene Keys, 'cause
609
:Richard Rudd used to work for Ra.
610
:Mm-hmm.
611
:Right?
612
:And so I really, uh, uh, uh, again,
that whole, like, gotta color
613
:in, in the lines and, you know,
all the how we're raised, right?
614
:I mean, especially me being in a
corporate environment all those years,
615
:like you can't go outside the lines.
616
:It, it just finally, I really feel-
felt like I had, like, it was the
617
:call, it was a call to really take
this and actually make it something
618
:way more applicable for women.
619
:And, and quite frankly, it's especially
where I'm, where I'm working to
620
:bring this out bigger out into the
world, that component of it is very
621
:aligned actually to the i-Ching.
622
:Mm-hmm.
623
:And so the i-Ching is,
like, older than the Bible.
624
:I mean, it's, like, one of the most
ancient texts from a human, uh, you
625
:know, humans on the planet, and it's
literally the 64 ways of being human.
626
:You know, the good, the bad, the
amazing, the ugly, all the things.
627
:And so to me, uh, we end up
creating our own body of work.
628
:W- And listen, nothing's new.
629
:I mean, but it's new in how we bring
things forward out into the world.
630
:Mm-hmm.
631
:And so I'm very much a, like l- I always
am talking about all the teachers that
632
:I've ever learned from, and I'm always,
you know, giving people credit for that.
633
:And also b- being able to create- an
approach, a framework, words, a language
634
:that really makes this knowledge available
and more open to, quite frankly, what I
635
:would say would probably be a population
that probably wouldn't have gone into
636
:the depths of traditional human design.
637
:And that feels really, really good to
me, and, and, and I see the impact of
638
:it every day, because every single day
someone is saying, "Oh my gosh, I listened
639
:to the Daily Frequency today, and this
happened, this happened, or that happened,
640
:and I see things differently now."
641
:Mm-hmm.
642
:Everything.
643
:Yes.
644
:Oh, yes.
645
:I will…
646
:A- and it was so funny a couple weeks ago.
647
:You were like, "Everybody's in doubt
and confusion," and I was like, "I don't
648
:know what she's talking about, because
I have never been so clear this year."
649
:And then I realized that, like,
it, the 64 completes my 47,
650
:and so I had massive clarity.
651
:I was s- I had s- did so much work
that week on my business, and it was…
652
:Trisha and I were talking about,
geeking out about it, and I went…
653
:She's like, "Yes!"
654
:And I…
655
:So I looked up, where
can I get this clarity?
656
:And I know that October 9th is mine,
is when the moon moves back into
657
:the 64, and so that's gonna be my
day to really work on some stuff.
658
:But it's so cool, and I have to
say, I love that the freedom that
659
:you give us with this, using the
Ignite Her Frequencies, because I,
660
:I have a 5 in my sun, conscious sun,
and so I don't like rigid things.
661
:If there's some rigidity, I'm
gonna be looking about like,
662
:"How can I skirt around this?"
663
:Like, and not get myself into trouble,
but still, like, stay true to it.
664
:But I'm still gonna, like, try to…
665
:I'm gonna push the boundaries.
666
:So I love that you've given us
the freedom you've given us.
667
:And I have to say, where I really,
really saw the power of this…
668
:I mean, I've seen the power of this
with my clients, but I did a workshop
669
:back in April, and I took the cards
that you, the frequency cards, and
670
:everybody read their, the conscious and
sun and earth, and everybody was crying.
671
:And then we did it at a retreat about
a, two months later, and everybody was
672
:crying, and people were ordering cards
because they're like, "I need this."
673
:But to see it and to hear them speak
it, and to see it come over their body
674
:was so powerful, and I, I've had these
experiences with clients, but I've never
675
:seen it in a group, and they were all
like, "Oh my gosh, I totally feel that."
676
:Look at your chart.
677
:It's there
678
:Oh, wow.
679
:I- you know what?
680
:I'm gonna tell you right
now, I'm taking a note.
681
:I'm gonna, I'm gonna do that in the
room on September 30th, uh, when
682
:I'm doing the, uh, the, an event.
683
:I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna give you credit for that.
684
:I love that because the cards are written-
685
:Mm-hmm
686
:… in a I, like an I am.
687
:Like, it's an, like, so it's…
688
:Ooh, I love that.
689
:Yes.
690
:And what was so…
691
:I d- we had name tags, and so they had
their core four on their name tags.
692
:And I would say, "Oh-" "Tricia, I want
you to look across the table at Natalie
693
:and see if she has that number too."
694
:And sure enough, it was in her core four,
and they, uh, they were just like…
695
:After- afterwards, they were
like, "Can I look at your numbers?
696
:Can I look at your numbers?
697
:'Cause what you said
really resonated with me."
698
:And so then I would also say like,
"Look at- let's look at your chart."
699
:For one of them, it was her nodes.
700
:She's like, "I feel like that's
like what's happening in my life."
701
:And I was like, "Yep, that's
the second half of your life,
702
:so that's why it's resonating."
703
:That's good.
704
:I love…
705
:And you know what?
706
:This- what I love so much is us right
here on this podcast co-creating, because
707
:that's the other part, right, that we
talk all the time about in our community.
708
:Mm-hmm.
709
:I'm not- I- I'm not the be-all,
end-all of like how we're doing this.
710
:It's about like we- we're- we're
sharing and, and learning together.
711
:You know, uh, we had a coaching call
today, and one of, one of the clients on
712
:the coaching call said, "Yeah, you know, I
just decided to strip out the body graph.
713
:I feel like it's too
complicated for my people."
714
:And I'm like, "That's genius."
715
:Like- … for some people
we should do that, right?
716
:Yes.
717
:And then I love this exercise
that you did, and the power of
718
:that, and I think that's the
new era right there, by the way.
719
:Mm-hmm.
720
:That it's…
721
:The old era is, "This is
how Human Design is done.
722
:It's only done this way.
723
:You need an analyst who's been for
three years, and then you can't
724
:even begin to talk about Human
Design until you've had your own
725
:experiment for seven years minimum,"
and all this like insanity, right?
726
:And that's old era.
727
:New era is this, this, it- we're in this
co-creative, there is no guru, there is no
728
:one in the room that has all the answers.
729
:It's actually the collective has the
answers, because each individual person-
730
:Mm-hmm … is bringing forward their
own individual authority around it,
731
:and that's what makes it richer- Yes
732
:and more beautiful, and-
Yes … so powerful to like,
733
:to share, so I love that.
734
:Like, I literally just took some notes.
735
:I'm like, "Ooh, we're gonna
do that in the event."
736
:I love it.
737
:So thank you.
738
:I love
739
:it.
740
:Um, so I wanna go back to Human
Design and how it changed your family.
741
:Ooh.
742
:And you talked about your husband
and like what has happened with that.
743
:But what happened when you
started to study your kids?
744
:And I know you have a
Projector kid, and was he…
745
:Is the rest of your house Generators
and Manifesting Generators?
746
:Yes.
747
:My husband and I are both Manifesting
Generators, and then my, uh, two of
748
:my older kids are both Generators.
749
:Oh my gosh.
750
:Triple split.
751
:Both of them are triple split Generators.
752
:Very social, needing to be with lots
of different people, go, go, go.
753
:Um, and then my, my Projector, my
youngest, and so n- I'll start with him.
754
:I just have a, such a
connection to this little boy.
755
:Like, we just are so tight.
756
:We're so close, and there's certain
parts of our design that really, like,
757
:you know, you can see that connection.
758
:But I always had just super strong
compassion, uh, for him, and he
759
:was different than my other two
children in his, in his energy.
760
:I could see it before I ever
knew anything about human design.
761
:Mm.
762
:And my husband would be
like, "What's wrong?"
763
:Like, "Why isn't he, like, doing
all the sports and doing all
764
:the things, and da, da, da, da?"
765
:You know, like all of us.
766
:And when I learned he was a Projector,
I'm like, "Of course he is."
767
:Like, of course he's
a Projector, you know?
768
:And I watch him and I observe him,
and he's one of these kids who, just
769
:like a Projector is so good in a group
of Generators, like, he has a group
770
:of boys that, that are his buddies
since they were three years old.
771
:He's now 12.
772
:They are definitely all Generator,
Manifesting Generators, no doubt.
773
:And then he's the Projector in that
group, and he just, he's so connected
774
:and observant about his group, and
he knows them so well, and it, it
775
:just, he just, he just really is,
like, this really cool member of that
776
:group because he is this Projector.
777
:You can just see it, right?
778
:Mm-hmm.
779
:But then he needs a break, and he
will look at me, and he'll be like…
780
:He'll mouth, 'cause he doesn't want
anyone to feel bad, like, "I need to go
781
:home," or, "Can we send this g- kid home?"
782
:Like like we have someone over.
783
:Like, he will be done, and he
knows, and then he, and he has this
784
:whole funny thing that he says.
785
:My kids make fun of him.
786
:I'm like, "You guys don't understand.
787
:He's a Projector."
788
:He doesn't, my son doesn't
even know he's a Projector.
789
:He's knows nothing about this.
790
:Like, I don't, like- Oh, interesting
… labels or anything like that.
791
:So, like, I don't really t-
I don't s- talk about it.
792
:Yeah.
793
:I just parent him the way I know he
needs to get parented as a result.
794
:But, like, he came up with this
himself 'cause he just knows himself,
795
:and we do know ourself, you see, and
unfortunately, we get, like, told no,
796
:and this, and be, should be this way.
797
:And he says, "I need a chill day."
798
:I need my chill day.
799
:So he'll have a busy day, and
then he's like, "I need my
800
:chill time, and I need my time."
801
:And, like, he knows this about
himself, and when he needs his
802
:time, he doesn't really move.
803
:Like, his body needs to recharge.
804
:And so, yes, you could think something's
wrong with him, unless you understand.
805
:And I think what's beautiful about
human design is you can gain so
806
:much compassion and understanding.
807
:Same thing with my other two.
808
:You know, they're very different from
each other, even though they're both are
809
:g- both generators and, and triple split.
810
:They have a lot of
friction with each other.
811
:Mm-hmm.
812
:And it's very painful as a mom to see,
like, two of your kids, like, really not
813
:get along their whole life , you know?
814
:And then to start…
815
:Like, when I started studying human design
and I was like, "Oh, I could see the why."
816
:Mm-hmm.
817
:And just, like, but every place
that there's that, that, that tough
818
:connection, there's the possibility
for the beautiful connection and the
819
:higher-frequency connection as well.
820
:And but you could just see, I can
see where my daughter really triggers
821
:my son and, and all those things.
822
:So it was just, like, being able to see
it, witness it, and then whatever you
823
:can do as a parent to help the situation.
824
:'Cause you, you feel like you got,
like, the inside scoop- Yes … when
825
:you look at their design, right?
826
:You're like, "Oh, I get
why this is going on."
827
:I see what my kids' biggest lessons are.
828
:I see their superpowers.
829
:Mm-hmm.
830
:But I see where their biggest lessons
are, and instead of, like, it paining
831
:me that my daughter needs to go through
X, Y, Z, I'm like, "Oh, but she must."
832
:Yeah.
833
:It's not something I'm, I
go through, so I c- right?
834
:So it's about understanding
compassion and also allowing.
835
:Mm-hmm.
836
:Like, I can't fix that
because she actually, it's
837
:something she's here to learn.
838
:Yeah.
839
:It's her core four, you know?
840
:And so it's just, that stuff's fascinating
and, and then with the husband, you
841
:know, y- you can start to love someone
unconditionally the more you understand
842
:them, the more you can be in their
shoes, the more you can see the why
843
:maybe you're being this way or that way.
844
:And when you do that, it
becomes so less about you.
845
:Mm-hmm.
846
:Like, "Why is he treating me this way?
847
:Why is it…"
848
:Right?
849
:And you start…
850
:And it's, again, not, it's not like it's
all roses all the time by any means.
851
:But it's just this ability to see w- the
unseen, and to, like, accept that, "But,
852
:oh, but this is, these are his patterns."
853
:And I think what's been fascinating
is understanding my own and
854
:seeing how mine can trigger his.
855
:And so have you ever been in a, with
any k- well, and it could be a kid
856
:or a, you know, spouse or whatever.
857
:You know, when you're with…
858
:When two people can
really escalate upwards.
859
:Mm-hmm.
860
:Like, 'cause some people just shut
down or this, but, like, my husband
861
:we're the, like, it was like fire,
putting fuel on the fire, right?
862
:Oh my gosh.
863
:When one person's not doing
that- It can't keep going up.
864
:And so I realized es- like especially
with, with the way how I- I'm,
865
:I'm very emotional and I'm very
emotionally attached to my communication
866
:center, like heavily like heavily.
867
:And so I actually a- am almost
like in control in a sense of
868
:how fiery that's gonna get.
869
:And, and so really being able to
dial it down, to learn how to respond
870
:versus react, to take a beat, to
understand more where he might be
871
:coming from, it changed the game for us.
872
:It- Mm-hmm … I mean, completely.
873
:And I mean, it started with me
understanding me first and foremost,
874
:but I mean, you can't, you can't even
875
:I, I don't know anything else out there,
maybe, maybe the Enneagram a bit, but
876
:like even that, I just … Nothing
has helped me to see my family.
877
:And I honestly, you know what, Erica?
878
:That's what actually also sealed the deal
for me, my logical, analytical, not so
879
:sure on these, you know, like this whole
woo-woo thing and planets, and like,
880
:I still like, I still have resistance.
881
:Even now, I still have resistance.
882
:Like you probably, you hear
me, I never say the planets.
883
:Mm-hmm.
884
:Like I never use the names of the planets.
885
:It's like I'm still…
886
:Nothing confirmed for me more than
seeing my children in their designs, and
887
:like in their charts, in their reports,
and I'm like, "Oh, man, this is them."
888
:Uh-huh.
889
:And who knows their y-
kids better than the mom?
890
:Yes.
891
:Like w- how, what was
your experience with that?
892
:So it, it … So my husband and
I both have the same number,
893
:Enneagram number, and I was like,
okay, so he's an artist by night.
894
:You know, he does librarianship by day.
895
:But we were just so
different, and I could not
896
:figure-
897
:Well, wait, what Enneagram?
898
:We're both 4s.
899
:Me too.
900
:And I just was like something d- something
wasn't feeling right, and I thought, well,
901
:it's b- you know, I'm burned out and I
was just like, I'm just the roommate.
902
:W- we're just not…
903
:Something wasn't gelling.
904
:And then I learned his human design.
905
:He's a manifesting generator.
906
:I'm a generator, and that right
there like told so much of our story.
907
:He is doing all the things in the kitchen.
908
:And I'm like step by step by step.
909
:Like when we have to clean up the
house before somebody comes over,
910
:he's got five rooms done and I'm
still focused on the coffee table.
911
:Because I'm like, "I gotta go through all
the papers and, like, make the piles."
912
:And he's like, "C- come on."
913
:But that right there was huge.
914
:But also learning he was a 2/4
and that he needed his solitude t-
915
:for c- to create his art brought
something back in me that was like,
916
:i- he is not trying to ignore me.
917
:He needs his solitude for, for creation.
918
:And so that was huge.
919
:And my daughter and I are both
5/1 emotional generators, but
920
:we could not be more different.
921
:But we, we create, like,
an emotional wave together.
922
:We each have our own diff- different
emotional waves, and my poor husband,
923
:who has a completely open emotional
center, deals with both of us.
924
:And, like, I … My daughter, when she's
in this, like, really heightened state,
925
:I have learned to tell him, "Just go.
926
:Just go.
927
:I will handle it," because
I can just- 'Cause you can
928
:handle it … I can handle it.
929
:Now, sh- sometimes she sends me
over the edge, but for the most
930
:part, like, just learning type,
profile, and authority was huge.
931
:And I know how to ask him what he
wants for d- you know, whatever,
932
:um, the rapid-fire questions.
933
:But my daughter, I'm like,
"You need to sleep on it."
934
:And Julie, it saved us so much money.
935
:Oh my gosh.
936
:Saved us so much money.
937
:Ah-huh.
938
:No more impulse buys at Target.
939
:You know, "I want this."
940
:"Well, if you want this,
we'll come back tomorrow."
941
:Nine times out of 10, we- she forgets
about it, and I'm okay with that.
942
:Yes.
943
:But it's-
944
:Yeah
945
:… it, and my husband now says when I'm
like, "I'll volunteer for something,"
946
:and he's like, "Are you sure you don't
need to sleep on that before you tell
947
:anybody, give anybody that answer?"
948
:'Cause-
949
:Oh, that's a good husband right there
950
:… my, all of my life, I
made quick decisions.
951
:My whole family made quick decisions.
952
:And I was like … I don't know
how many decisions I regretted, and
953
:I would always hope to get sick.
954
:Same, girl, same.
955
:Same.
956
:Yes.
957
:It was- Yeah … it, but it's,
it was such a game changer, and I
958
:thought, "Why didn't anybody…"
959
:I wasn't ready for it before.
960
:No.
961
:But at the same time, like, I feel
like- I, I always say that, you know,
962
:Human Design is the secret decoder ring
to your family and your relationships.
963
:And I just, I want to tell everybody
who has a kid, like, I'm gonna give
964
:you some information about them,
but I don't necessarily want you
965
:to be like, "You're a Generator.
966
:You should have, you know-
Right … consistent energy."
967
:Like, she knows that.
968
:Uh-huh.
969
:But she does not…
970
:There are other parts of her design,
she's like, "Oh, but I need to say
971
:this," or, "I need to say that."
972
:And so, like, she understands
pieces of it- Yes, yes … that
973
:I've dropped in for her.
974
:Yes.
975
:But she's not like, "I'm a 5/1,
you know, emotional Generator."
976
:She doesn't tell me that.
977
:Yes.
978
:But I also have pulled up all
of her friends, and it explains
979
:why some of the, the tension has
happened, which is just crazy.
980
:Isn't it crazy?
981
:Yes.
982
:Look, I did…
983
:My h- m- my son dated, uh, this
lovely girl for a long time.
984
:They, they did break up recently,
but they could end up getting
985
:back together at some point.
986
:And I've run theirs, and I…
987
:It's so clear to see, like, what…
988
:Like, she's a Manifestor.
989
:Ooh.
990
:And he would get so upset that
she wouldn't, like, inform…
991
:I'm gonna use the word inform.
992
:I'm using the word inform because
that's like, right, we know
993
:that word for a Manifestor.
994
:But like, I, I can…
995
:Like, oh, she's not, she's not informing.
996
:She's just going and
she's doing, and she…
997
:But she's not communicating, right?
998
:Mm-hmm.
999
:So it's, that's part of it, right?
:
00:50:30,622 --> 00:50:35,492
The Manifestor needs to inform,
especially those that they
:
00:50:35,542 --> 00:50:36,492
care about and love, right?
:
00:50:36,542 --> 00:50:36,752
Yes.
:
00:50:37,222 --> 00:50:41,442
So it's just like, it's just so
fascinating to watch and observe.
:
00:50:41,462 --> 00:50:46,032
And it's, it is a relationship
game changer, there's no doubt.
:
00:50:46,042 --> 00:50:46,132
Oh,
:
00:50:46,132 --> 00:50:46,652
yes.
:
00:50:46,992 --> 00:50:47,352
Yeah.
:
00:50:47,362 --> 00:50:48,912
I, I can't- Yeah … imagine.
:
00:50:48,962 --> 00:50:53,732
Like, even when I meet people, I want
to know their design because I'm like, I
:
00:50:53,732 --> 00:50:57,252
want to know how I need to relate to you.
:
00:50:57,542 --> 00:51:02,032
Not because I can't be your friend,
but it helps me, whether or not I ask
:
00:51:02,032 --> 00:51:06,092
you yes or no questions, or whether
or not I give you more time, or-
:
00:51:06,422 --> 00:51:06,702
Yeah
:
00:51:06,842 --> 00:51:10,522
whether or not you're going to be giving
me unsolicited advice, and I'm gonna
:
00:51:10,522 --> 00:51:13,600
be like- This is something you can see.
:
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:14,660
Tell me more.
:
00:51:14,770 --> 00:51:19,050
Like, my sister was a Projector
for, or is a Projector.
:
00:51:19,060 --> 00:51:25,640
For years, I was so angry bec- you
talk about kids fighting, like we
:
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:31,070
fought like cats and dogs all through
middle school and high school because
:
00:51:31,070 --> 00:51:32,590
she could see something I couldn't.
:
00:51:33,010 --> 00:51:35,220
And even when I was starting my
business, she shared something, and I
:
00:51:35,220 --> 00:51:37,590
was like, "I haven't thought about that.
:
00:51:37,830 --> 00:51:39,000
Stop giving me advice."
:
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,150
And then I found out she's a
Projector, and I was like, "Hmm, yes."
:
00:51:42,170 --> 00:51:45,060
And so now when I need
advice, I do ask her.
:
00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:46,510
I'm like, "So what are you seeing?"
:
00:51:47,070 --> 00:51:47,780
Yes.
:
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:48,880
Yes.
:
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,930
Oh, a- a 100%.
:
00:51:50,970 --> 00:51:53,010
It's, it's just, it's, it's incredible.
:
00:51:53,220 --> 00:51:53,670
Yes.
:
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:54,400
It's incredible.
:
00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:00,610
Yeah, so if there is somebody listening
that you me- you mentioned the new era.
:
00:52:00,620 --> 00:52:03,640
I would love for you to just
talk shortly about the new era.
:
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,460
Like, how is that-
Yeah … showing up for people?
:
00:52:06,490 --> 00:52:11,290
Because I don't know how many posts I see
on Substack or Instagram, and everybody's
:
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:13,570
like, "Is there something going on?"
:
00:52:13,580 --> 00:52:17,710
Because everyb- everybody's feeling
it, but I don't think- Yeah … we
:
00:52:17,710 --> 00:52:21,090
quite understand, and we can't name it
because, I mean, we're seeing things
:
00:52:21,460 --> 00:52:23,200
crumble around us, and we're just…
:
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,610
I think people are kind of freaking out.
:
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:29,570
Yeah, and it's, it's one of those
things, like you don't even have to know
:
00:52:29,570 --> 00:52:35,670
human design or anything to just know
that there's collective energy, right?
:
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:36,030
There's…
:
00:52:36,550 --> 00:52:38,210
It's, it's…
:
00:52:38,260 --> 00:52:42,190
If you just look at something as simple
as the stock market, the stock market
:
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:50,112
is literally- is just about emotional
waves of the collective, is all it is.
:
00:52:50,122 --> 00:52:50,152
Uh-huh.
:
00:52:50,182 --> 00:52:51,502
There's nothing else behind it.
:
00:52:51,692 --> 00:52:57,202
It is literally, right, like human
beings, like in waves, right?
:
00:52:57,202 --> 00:52:58,632
Like is it a bear market, a bull market?
:
00:52:58,632 --> 00:53:00,562
Well, it's like it's the waves.
:
00:53:00,582 --> 00:53:06,672
It's tied to the, the, the background
frequency of the collective, right?
:
00:53:06,682 --> 00:53:08,472
Just like that energy we're all in.
:
00:53:09,022 --> 00:53:13,672
And so if you think about it, if
you just look back across history,
:
00:53:13,852 --> 00:53:15,792
there's just different times.
:
00:53:15,792 --> 00:53:18,922
I mean we even say the
medieval times, right?
:
00:53:18,922 --> 00:53:28,252
There are different eras and swaths of
time where certain beliefs or philosophies
:
00:53:28,282 --> 00:53:32,292
or, you know, like things were happening.
:
00:53:32,342 --> 00:53:35,192
I mean there was a time of exploration.
:
00:53:35,202 --> 00:53:35,802
I mean on…
:
00:53:35,812 --> 00:53:38,122
some of it not good in what
happened, but like there was…
:
00:53:38,322 --> 00:53:38,962
Like it's…
:
00:53:39,012 --> 00:53:42,712
There was different waves and different
things happening, and in human design
:
00:53:43,162 --> 00:53:47,322
we can actually look back and we can
look at the actual background frequency
:
00:53:47,352 --> 00:53:49,382
of the transits during those waves.
:
00:53:49,382 --> 00:53:51,552
Remember we did this inside
of the- Yes … program?
:
00:53:51,552 --> 00:53:52,302
Like it was…
:
00:53:52,912 --> 00:53:56,712
I was nerding out- Mind-blowing
… because I was like a history minor, and
:
00:53:56,712 --> 00:54:03,942
like to actually see the trends in history
tied to the actual background frequency in
:
00:54:03,942 --> 00:54:06,162
the different eras was like mind-blowing.
:
00:54:06,752 --> 00:54:12,132
And we are i- we are living in a, I, I
like to think actually a really cool time.
:
00:54:12,492 --> 00:54:13,972
It- it's all perspective, right?
:
00:54:13,972 --> 00:54:16,432
You could look at it as like a
horrible time or an amazing time.
:
00:54:16,452 --> 00:54:19,842
I look at it as an amazing time
because most humans don't get to
:
00:54:19,842 --> 00:54:23,582
live in a time of a major era shift.
:
00:54:23,852 --> 00:54:24,212
Mm-hmm.
:
00:54:24,492 --> 00:54:25,272
And we are.
:
00:54:25,272 --> 00:54:26,682
We're going into::
00:54:26,692 --> 00:54:31,492
We've been in the last 400 years,
which early::
00:54:31,492 --> 00:54:35,582
just think of the plight of women
from the early::
00:54:35,652 --> 00:54:37,812
in this very country, on
this very land, right?
:
00:54:37,812 --> 00:54:39,022
Like it's like wha…
:
00:54:39,392 --> 00:54:43,932
Like it's just mind-boggling, and
here we're going into this new era,
:
00:54:44,592 --> 00:54:49,732
and the, the new era, and it's why
it's shaking everything up, is it's
:
00:54:49,742 --> 00:54:55,012
moving us away from having outside
authorities decide everything for
:
00:54:55,012 --> 00:55:00,012
us, whether it's school, government,
healthcare, how marriage should be.
:
00:55:00,012 --> 00:55:01,132
All the, all the things, right?
:
00:55:01,132 --> 00:55:07,192
Like all the, the structures and systems
and institutions and, uh, things that
:
00:55:07,192 --> 00:55:12,232
have been pr- built and progressed over
the last 400 years, now it's at a tipping
:
00:55:12,232 --> 00:55:20,022
point, and the new era frequency is all
about individual authority, intuition,
:
00:55:20,522 --> 00:55:24,896
individual empowerment- rethinking, right?
:
00:55:24,906 --> 00:55:26,736
Who we're listening to, right?
:
00:55:26,746 --> 00:55:28,876
Who we're taking advice from.
:
00:55:28,876 --> 00:55:33,826
Now we wanna take advice from people that
are just embodying what we want, right?
:
00:55:33,826 --> 00:55:38,996
I shared watching Bob at 87 still
working and loving what he does.
:
00:55:38,996 --> 00:55:43,816
Like, to me, that was like, I,
I so put him on a pedestal and,
:
00:55:43,816 --> 00:55:47,766
like, really learned so much from
him because he was walking the
:
00:55:47,766 --> 00:55:49,506
walk, and that's what we want now.
:
00:55:49,506 --> 00:55:52,046
We don't want the person
that knows the most.
:
00:55:52,296 --> 00:55:56,256
We want the person that's living
the life that we wanna live, right?
:
00:55:56,486 --> 00:56:04,176
We are moving into a time where what we
do for work, requ- everyone's questioning
:
00:56:04,176 --> 00:56:05,776
what they do for work now, right?
:
00:56:05,886 --> 00:56:05,986
Yes.
:
00:56:06,066 --> 00:56:08,666
Um, the pandemic helped
shift that along, right?
:
00:56:08,666 --> 00:56:10,186
But that's why these things happen.
:
00:56:10,186 --> 00:56:13,536
I'm telling you, it's, like, crazy,
like the, the, the waves of time.
:
00:56:13,996 --> 00:56:17,416
And th- this, this shifts, and what's
gonna happen is you're gonna have
:
00:56:17,416 --> 00:56:22,026
some people gonna dig their heels in-
Mm-hmm … to the way things were, right?
:
00:56:22,456 --> 00:56:24,656
And then you're gonna have the
people that are like, "No, but
:
00:56:24,656 --> 00:56:29,526
there's freedom going this way,"
and, and it's a new era, new times.
:
00:56:29,886 --> 00:56:33,566
And so that inherently is gonna
cause conflict, inherently is
:
00:56:33,566 --> 00:56:36,596
gonna cause conflict with people
that are digging their heels in.
:
00:56:36,596 --> 00:56:38,556
And you can see it everywhere online.
:
00:56:39,066 --> 00:56:39,476
Uh-huh.
:
00:56:39,766 --> 00:56:40,456
You can see it everywhere.
:
00:56:40,456 --> 00:56:43,606
I mean, I, I think about homes- I think
homeschooling and healthcare are such
:
00:56:43,626 --> 00:56:45,716
perfect examples of this happening.
:
00:56:46,596 --> 00:56:51,896
It was not that long ago that nobody
homeschooled, and if you homeschooled,
:
00:56:52,366 --> 00:56:54,366
I mean, one, people were like, "What?
:
00:56:54,386 --> 00:56:54,936
That's weird."
:
00:56:54,936 --> 00:56:55,966
There were no resources.
:
00:56:55,966 --> 00:56:59,286
I mean, it was so outlier, right?
:
00:56:59,286 --> 00:56:59,806
Mm-hmm.
:
00:56:59,806 --> 00:57:03,676
Um, holistic medicine or getting
multiple opinions or having different…
:
00:57:03,726 --> 00:57:06,706
a whole bunch of different doctors
for different things or being, like,
:
00:57:06,766 --> 00:57:13,950
so, um, knowledgeable yourself about
your own health th- they were weirdos.
:
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:14,860
They were quacks.
:
00:57:14,860 --> 00:57:16,900
They were n- that was
an outlier too, right?
:
00:57:17,130 --> 00:57:21,490
Now it's becoming so much more normal.
:
00:57:22,030 --> 00:57:22,510
Mm-hmm.
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00:57:22,510 --> 00:57:22,970
Right?
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Like, I'm using air quotes
"normal" because what's happening
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is, is that there's this huge
shift that's happening, right?
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And so this idea that we would just
trust this one doctor knows what's best
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for us almost sounds absurd now, but
it wasn't not that long ago, right?
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Yeah.
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School, it's like, no, you go
to the school in your town.
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I mean, that's what you do.
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Like, there's nothing, there's
no other options, right?
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So we're seeing it all around us, and
what it's gonna take is for each of
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us to really get to know ourselves a
whole lot better and really asking the
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questions of, "Well, what do I want?
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What do I think?
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What, you know, where do
I wanna spend my time?
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How do I wanna live my life?"
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And, and it's gonna be potentially
different than, you know, how
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society conditioned us all
that, all those centuries.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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And I f- I'm, I think it's gonna be so
cool to see kids who are coming of age at
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this time, to see how things are different
for them, especially those kids that…
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My daughter's 12, and I know your son's
12, and, like, I, I feel like there's
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gonna be, they're gonna be the ones
that are gonna- something, we're gonna
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see something completely different
from them than the- Agreed … you
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go to, you know, get your education,
maybe go to college, have a job.
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Like, I think they're gonna be the
ones who are gonna start, we're gonna
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start to see something different.
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I'm here for it, to be honest.
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I really am.
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Like, I, I, I even started with my son
who, you know, Jack, who is in college
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now, he's about to graduate this year.
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I told him from the very beginning, I'm
like, "You do not have to go to college."
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Like, he's just this
entrepreneurial spirit.
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I mean, you look…
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I, I, I was saying that to him
before I looked at his design, right?
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And then I looked at his
design, I'm like, oh, like…
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And he just, he decided on his own
accord that he wanted to play football,
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and it was this whole thing, but
which the football piece and that
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competitiveness is literally, he's
got the::
00:59:20,764 --> 00:59:23,084
So I just, like, he…
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But he had, he knew he had the option.
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And same thing for my little guy.
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Like, I, I, that was never…
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It was like, "You go to college."
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Like, there was like- Uh-huh … there was
no discussing it, you know, growing up.
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And so I do, I agree with you.
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I think that that generation is going
to start actually opening new doors, new
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ideas, new ways in which things can be.
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And I, I, like I said, I'm, I'm
here to see how it all plays out.
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I, I remember hearing about the
new era when I first started
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studying human design in:I was like, "That's so far away."
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And here we are.
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And n- now here we are,
and I'm like, holy crap.
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Put your seat belts on.
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We can see it, right?
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01:00:04,744 --> 01:00:06,964
We're in, we're in the middle of it.
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Like, rollercoaster, we
are going up, and- Oh,
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01:00:10,934 --> 01:00:11,224
yeah
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01:00:11,434 --> 01:00:14,074
… I don't know where the peak's
gonna be, but, like, we're gonna
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have to be along for the ride.
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Yeah.
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01:00:15,604 --> 01:00:17,494
Otherwise, we're gonna dead, be dead.
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01:00:17,544 --> 01:00:17,664
And you know
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01:00:17,664 --> 01:00:17,954
what?
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01:00:18,014 --> 01:00:18,894
We gotta, we gotta lead.
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01:00:19,464 --> 01:00:19,864
Yes.
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01:00:19,924 --> 01:00:24,634
I think that's the, the key, is we have
to lead in our lane, and that doing that
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01:00:24,654 --> 01:00:26,494
is, is exactly what we're meant to do.
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01:00:26,654 --> 01:00:27,334
Mm-hmm.
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We're meant to lead.
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Yes, yes.
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01:00:28,924 --> 01:00:30,304
Well, Julie, thank you.
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This has been such a pleasure.
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But before we leave I have
two questions for you.
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First is where people can find you, and
then I will ask you my final question.
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Yeah, juliesieroty.com,
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01:00:40,724 --> 01:00:41,414
my Substack.
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01:00:41,434 --> 01:00:44,544
That's where all the action
happens, and would love to connect
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01:00:44,544 --> 01:00:45,884
with people over on Substack.
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01:00:46,254 --> 01:00:46,854
Okay.
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01:00:47,164 --> 01:00:51,654
So the final question I have for you
is what is one rule, unwritten rule, of
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01:00:51,654 --> 01:00:53,854
midlife that you would like to rewrite?
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01:00:54,424 --> 01:00:57,854
Well, I'm wearing my own sweatshirt
on it, and my sweatshirt, for those
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01:00:57,854 --> 01:01:00,924
that can't see it, says, "Work:
my favorite four-letter word."
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This is something I am, that is like
my mission, is to actually help women
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do the work they love in this world
that they were literally divinely
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designed to do and that lights them up.
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And so to me, it's that it's
rewriting the rule that after 50,
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01:01:19,364 --> 01:01:24,434
55 is when you're winding down and
you're getting ready for retirement.
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01:01:24,994 --> 01:01:29,404
Like, I wanna throw that rule
right out the window because I
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01:01:29,414 --> 01:01:31,224
think it's been a huge disservice.
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01:01:31,244 --> 01:01:35,534
I think it's a, a, contributing
to cognitive, you know, issues
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01:01:35,534 --> 01:01:39,774
and, and depression and, uh,
definitely financial situations.
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01:01:40,064 --> 01:01:42,184
And unhappiness, you know?
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01:01:42,194 --> 01:01:42,224
Yes.
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01:01:42,234 --> 01:01:47,944
And so to me it's like, no, we need
to maybe redefine what it is, you
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01:01:47,944 --> 01:01:51,414
know, in our, in our y- you know,
year, you know, decades after 50.
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But, like, let's not retire.
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So I would rewrite the retirement rule.
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Oh, I love that.
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I love that.
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01:01:59,744 --> 01:02:02,494
Well, Julie, thank you so
much for being on Unfolding
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Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I hope you
enjoyed that episode as much as I did.
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It was such a delight to record something
with a mentor of mine, and I have
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01:02:11,457 --> 01:02:15,957
another one coming up soon that I will
be s- so excited to share with you.
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So if you are a woman in midlife
and you feel like your life is
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01:02:24,507 --> 01:02:26,227
unbelievably disconnected…
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01:02:26,477 --> 01:02:30,147
do you remember those dot-to-dot
books, what you would get, and like,
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01:02:30,147 --> 01:02:33,047
the all the dots where you'd go one,
two, three, four, and then, like,
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01:02:33,047 --> 01:02:34,637
you'd start to see the whole picture?
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That's what I do with my clients and
on my Substack, is I help you start to
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connect the dots of how you're designed
so you can see the whole picture of
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01:02:44,247 --> 01:02:48,407
yourself and your relationships, and
understand why your partner needs a
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01:02:48,407 --> 01:02:52,577
few days to make a decision when you
know almost instantly, or why you keep
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01:02:52,607 --> 01:02:57,917
overthinking and replaying conversations
in your mind, or even why your kid in the
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middle of the day needs some rest from
people, just like Julie's younger kid.
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It's all connected.
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Clients tell me, "There
is nothing wrong with me."
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That's what we so, have been
so often led to believe is that
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there's something wrong with you.
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There is nothing wrong with you.
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If you're new here, I would love
you to subscribe to the show, follow
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me on Substack at ericavoell.com.
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01:03:23,427 --> 01:03:28,827
That's E-R-I-C-A, V as
in Victor, O-E-L-L.com
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on Substack.
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That's Erica Voell, E-R-I-C-A,
V as in Victor, O-E-L-L.com.
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I'm so glad you're here.
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Thank you for listening.
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Be well
